When you look at it this way, it's not an especially inspired class, is it? https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/01/every-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductee-ranked-from-best-to-bon-jovi.html The Doors: 10/10 James Brown (and the Famous Flames) The architect of the Rock Hall, I.M. The Mamas & The Papas: 6/10 Al Ciraldo Voice of Georgia Tech Athletics. Janis Joplin: 10/10 on Thursday, 05/20/2021 @ 02:05am. In 2010, Bill Simmons published The Book of Basketballs paperback edition in which he updated his Hall of Fame Pyramid, a list of the top 96 greatest mens basketball players. Level Five: All those folks on the "Ancient Aliens" Series (we'll need some laughs besides the Stooges), Posted by Cheesecrop on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 17:11pm. Not quite sure. Hank Ballard (and the Midnighters) Yes - 2 (they could be a 1 too but I like them a lot and they are one of the definitive progressive rock bands so I upped them to a 2) Dolly Parton (Level 2) Van Halen: 9/10 Peter Gabriel: 7/10 "If You Can Want" The Dirtbombs, Barbara McNair, Chazz Dixon. Yes Billy Cunningham, 55. how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine to the ninety-six greatest players in the history of pro "More Love" Kim Carnes, Paul Young, Barbara McNair, Mica Paris, The 5th Dimension, Rick Webb, Foster Sylvers. But as long as they are moved up to the 4th tier, I will not be very disappointed. The Flamingos: 6/10 Doobie Brothers-5 Curtis Mayfield: 9/10 The Great Bill Simmons.. Aight. I think the Doors and Grateful Dead should be in the fourth level of the pyramid. LaVern Baker Aerosmith Copyright 2006-2023 futurerocklegends.com, Uncovering the Next Generation's Hall of Fame, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland is already, http://whoisbigger.com/entity/Category:Rock_and_Roll_Hall_of_Fame_inductees, http://whoisbigger.com/#sthash.msMujDin.dpuf, https://www.ranker.com/list/rolling-stone-100-greatest-artists-of-all-time/music-lover, https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2019/04/ranking-every-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductee-by-tiers.html, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Miracles_awards_and_achievements, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracles_discography, https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/01/every-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductee-ranked-from-best-to-bon-jovi.html. 2009 I'd rather they be a 3, but a lot of those 3s are untouchable. CCR: 9/10 Santana, unless you're arguing against the Mexican roots. 4. Aretha Franklin (Level 5) Whitney Houston I'll concede they're important enough to be in the hall, but ranking them higher than the Doors, Grateful Dead, Zappa, or even Jefferson Airplane (a possible influence) is ridiculous. Pete Maravich, 77. Yes, it's personal. 61. "Doggone Right" Bobby Davis. 145. Rush (middle 4th) Kevin Johnson, 106. Pearl Jam As much as I like SRV as a guitarist, his credentials as a performer (body of work) isn't up to many on the 2nd level. 1991 Howlin' Wolf Rosetta was put in as an Early Influence, but I get what you mean; man, they really let some of these sections go to waste! Here are my responses: "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" Capone N. Noreaga (as the basis of their song "Live On Live Long"). T. Rex: 7/10 Talented as hell, but weird as hell. to "Did they influence a lot of acts afterwards?" We already have the news to educate ourselves on sociopolitical affairs anyway. Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five: 8/10 Eminem: 10/10 112. Clyde Drexler. Todd Rundgren: 6/10 40. Donovan: 7/10 You hate the way he plays. 6. The Hall of Fame honors graduates of the Army Reserve Officers' Training Corps who have . Three thousand years ago on a battlefield in ancient Palestine, a shepherd boy felled a mighty warrior with nothing more than a stone and a sling, and 7/10 = Solid Picks 2 our lives, from the bestselling author of The Bomber Mafia. Percy Sledge: 2/10 CCR (Level 3) 6. I'm open to arguments that he should be higher than this (maybe closer to Rodman), but his offense tailed off over the past 2 years. 106. "Special Occasion - Jim Gilstrap. Quietest: Musically, James Taylor. We are talking about Rock music here, right? My mistake, I met question 9 and "most nicest", not 7 and "most mean". Steely Dan: 8/10 ******* Nirvana and Radiohead belongs in the third. Patti Smith: 9/10 Bill Simmonss new podcast breaks down the NBAs most important games, players, and teams, extending and reinventing his New York Times no. 2/10 = Failure Tupac Shakur: 10/10 It's well-researched, engaging, and I found myself discovering information about players I never knew. The Moody Blues Did they have transcendent songs and albums or memorable moments? ELO - 1 I know, they did it with the strength of ONE album. I have seen that. Stevie Nicks: 3/10 Lowest tier. Inductee that should have been first-ballot (again, don't answer Rush*)? 3. The most obvious one to me is Metallica, who are no brainers for level 4 at least, and could possibly mount a case (admittedly a weak one) for level 5. Del Shannon: 5/10 The Four Seasons: 7/10 Blondie: 8/10 Any thoughts? Martha & The Vandellas: 8/10 Honestly, when you're talking about those three, any order you put 'em in could be justified. Best hip hop: Public Enemy. Elvis Costello & The Attractions: 9/10 To compare: Fats Domino comes off as a classy and humble man in every interview and film I've seen of him. For mine, check out my top 75. 1994 Willie Dixon I would like to see it. Paul Simon: 8/10 Jimi Hendrix Experience: 10/10 The Drifters Jay-Z-3 but would also be fine with 4 if Eminem gets 4 as well. "The Tears of a Clown" La Toya Jackson, The Beat, The Rocking Chairs, The Re-Bops, Nnenna Freelon, The Flying Pickets, Caligula, Human Nature, Enuff Z'Nuff, Eumir Deodato, Brian Ray, Marc Cohn, Phil Collins. I'd buy front row seats for a weird off between Prince and Dr. John. Over 10 years ago, ESPN's Bill Simmons1 introduced the world to the concept of a Baseball Hall of Fame pyramid, as a way to provide relative importance to the inductees. But Neil aside, I like your other changes. 15. "(You Can) Depend On Me" The Temptations, 157. -the Miracles, the Comets, the Midnighters.. barring them, probably the Dave Clark Five and the Ventures 2005 was pretty good too. Nine Inch Nails (Level 2) Nina Simone- 4 ZZ Top: 7/10 Santana: 8/10 2. 144. First, I would tack on some lesser known blues and R&B singers like Blind Lemon Jefferson, W.C. They never put out more than one outrageously good record. Earlier this month, he added another distinction to his rsum as he was inducted into the Army ROTC Hall of Fame as part of the 24-member Class of 2021.. Aerosmith: 9/10 He's a flopper. 2Pac Foreword by Malcom Gladwell "The work of a true fan . I've got him in between Walton and Barry who also got a team over the top without any other presumed Pyramid guys, but didn't string together a run like the guys in Level 4 and Level 5. On which levels do you think each of these artists belongs? Miles Davis Posted by Follower on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 17:52pm, Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 17:56pm, Yeah Phillip, you're right. Established in 1957 by the Amateur Softball Association (ASA), the National Softball Hall of Fame and Museum is a permanent shrine to the men and women who played the game so well. Simon & Garfunkel, I assume (or some doo-wop stuff). Black Sabbath 75. With the Shaq/Kobe era crumbling against a hungry 2004 Pistons team, Shaquille ONeal tried to save the day with a memorable throwback performance. He's a spot below Worthy because Big Game James was a better overall player, but Parker deserves to be acknowledged - despite the fact that he might be a shitty dude. The Yardbirds The Pretenders John Lennon 107. 133. James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, and Linda Rondnstadt Were Shaq and Kobe always destined to turn on each other? He's Level 4 by Isiah. Deep Purple: 7/10 Donovan But whats the legacy of the blockbuster album? Nate Thurmond, 51. Moses Malone, 13. A subreddit dedicated to NBA news and discussion. The Velvet Underground 56. "As Bill Simmons said in his original article though, this is subjective. 22. Journey Beat induction year: 1993, Posted by Mike on Thursday, 02/6/2014 @ 14:22pm. Underrated by casual fans as a defensive player, but did make All-D in '18-'19. And where does he rank on Bills 100-player Hall of Fame Pyramid? Lynyrd Skynyrd: 8/10 Radiohead: 10/10 Nina Simone Blondie: 8/10 Monty Python's The Meaning of Life Favorite inductee outside of the U.S. and the U.K.? This might be the most controversial placement. -Kindest? Argument could be made for a level 5, on the par with James Brown for a mid-career musical reinvention that created a brand new major genre. He's an 11-time All-Star (everyone with 8 or more appearances is in the actual hall) and was the 3rd best player on two Champs and two Finalists. 161. Clyde McPhatter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracles_discography 129. Updated, thanks! Were they just dominant at times? You want to know about influence? "Influence" is not really a matter of opinion. Posted by Tommy Wimmer on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 01:42am. Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers: 9/10 Bruce Springsteen: 10/10 Percy Sledge: Influenced Al Green and the Allman Brothers Band. Looking at the bottom rung of artists, some of their followers are in the hall (Allmusic). 117. Def Leppard *******Here's the REAL KICKER !! Level 5 I still listen to modern rock/indie radio at times, but for the most part, I start losing sustained interest around 1998 or '9. T. Rex Most quiet inductee? Huh, forgot that the pyramids criteria was "how well does astrodog know the artist" Posted by GFW on Thursday, 10/31/2013 @ 14:00pm, I'd simply move all the artists out of the 5th region, and sub-let a little space for myself. I'd say a tier down at least. What seemed important 15 years ago may not seem as important now. John Mellencamp Russell, 2. If we remove people who probably killed someone from contention, Paul Stanley's complete lack of grace during the induction process stands out. 91. The Notorious B.I.G.-2 Bonnie Raitt Posted by Bill G on Wednesday, 05/8/2019 @ 06:47am. 14. They were the VANGUARD ACT of Berry Gordy's Motown empire. I suppose you could make a case for T. Rex, Depeche Mode, or Whitney Houston moving up a level, but keeping them in Level 1 is fine. Posted by Follower on Tuesday, 04/2/2019 @ 18:34pm. I mean does anyone (be honest) go home and listen to a Ramones record? Most snubbed artist who is now an inductee (besides Rush and Alice Cooper*)? This site is not affiliated in any way with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum You like what you like. Patti Smith: 9/10 "You're So Fine and Sweet" - The Undertakers. Posted by Jason Voigt on Monday, 12/9/2013 @ 00:01am, Might be interesting to some here: Gladys Knight and the Pips This website really needs to update the rock hall pyramid. 174. Jeff Beck as well 13. Is it fair to swap players based on one series at the tail end of their careers? - I didn't change any rankings for anyone who retired before that year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miracles_discography 31. I had to move him up. Bon Jovi (while not a critical favorite, the band is still selling well into the new 10's) 113. And believe it or not, but I actually like them. Posted by The Dude on Tuesday, 01/1/2019 @ 14:24pm, How about a pyramid for the Early Influence category, with Wanda Jackson and Freddie King as a 1 because they never should have been inducted in that category? The 2017 and 2018 inductees are not in the pyramid yet! As for the 2016 inductees, Deep Purple at Level 2, all the others at Level 1. Heart: 7/10 66. Wilt, 6. This isn't a situation where being part of a psuedo-dynasty elevates him up 10-15 spots. You are pleased to answer anytime you want. They are also the MOST-COVERED Motown act of all timeand have the MOST Grammy Hall of Fame-inducted songs of ANY Motown groupand have the MOST SONGS on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's list of "The 500 Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll". Depeche Mode: 8/10 I also feel EXACTLY the same about John Lennon. Green Day: 9/10 165. HOW I BECOME SUCCESSFUL IN LIFE THROUGH THE RICHES OF ILUMINATI The ones who should move up? Willis Reed, 34. If youre curious about Simmons precise words, you can listen to the podcast episode for the ones that have exact dates. "Lower-tier Bob Dylan"? Pat Benatar (Level 1) 41. However, I do disagree with you on Neil Young's ranking. Except on Neil Young, of course. Hall and Oates Art is fluid and stuff changes. :), Posted by Cheesecrop on Friday, 03/8/2013 @ 15:51pm. Fats Domino "Happy Landing" - The Temptations. SMF 2015, Simple Machines. 197. Connie Hawkins, 99. Judas Priest would have been a Level 2 if they were inducted as performers. Yes - 2 (they could be a 1 too but I like them a lot and they are one of the definitive progressive rock bands so I upped them to a 2) As Bob is the highest tier when compared to anyone who picks up an acoustic guitar and tries to sing a folkish tune. My point is that there are many other people who influenced the influencers farther down on the pyramid. The Police: 9/10 Madonna Agreed. 1998 67. "Come On Do The Jerk" The Righteous Brothers [64], The T-Bones Follow us on twitter to keep up with everything Rock Hall related. Karl Malone, 21. 2/10 = Failure Randy Newman: 1 He without question was 'the most political of the Beatles' and I'm sure a lot of future generations looked upon him for that." The Moody Blues, when inducted, should sit on the 5th tier. Joan Baez (and yes, I'd still put her in the bottom rung, though she'd be closer to the top of that bottom rung) For the new inductees, my opinion is this: Paul Pierce, 53. However, my perception of The Pretenders has always been that they are similar in stature to Heart (which is accurately depicted in the Pyramid with both on Tier 1). Also available in . Bill G., Fats Domino should be moved up four rows. Register for this free event . Posted by Follower on Saturday, 01/19/2019 @ 16:38pm. Lenny Wilkens, 81. Simmons, Bill. Most unworthy: For me, Percy Sledge, Laura Nyro, and Del Shannon stand out. Sam Jones, 38. Dusty Springfield Miles Davis (Level 2) 110. Blake Griffin doesn't make the Pyramid, but he was a Top 3 guy for a few years there. 162. These questions and more are broken down in our first Pyramid Podcast with The Ringers Ryen Russillo. Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions did it YEARS before John Lennon. Posted by Bill G. on Tuesday, 10/23/2018 @ 14:25pm. Simmons just completed his BOB 2.0 podcast, and during numerous episodes he will list the specific new Pyramid rankings of 5-10 guys in a row, but I'm curious if anyone has heard all the podcasts & has the new order written down? Carly Simon (Level 1) 1988, 1986, 2001, 2004, 1997, Posted by Alec on Monday, 04/21/2014 @ 23:04pm, I'll play along: 8. Posted by Mat r on Wednesday, 05/4/2022 @ 16:32pm, Level 1: Jackie Wilson: 10/10 They were the FIRST Motown group. 208. The pyramid has been updated with the latest inductees. He'll end up as a Level 4 guy when his career is done, but for now, I've slotted him here. I would also move a few artists around like replacing Madonna with some other female singer like Liz Phair or Norah Jones, moving Elton John down a rank and putting Billy Joel there, moving Sam Cooke up a bit as well as Big Joe Turner and Fats Domino. Wilson Pickett 2020 Stevie Wonder. Curry has been great for six years. LEVEL 3 ?? It started out as 12 and then multiples of 12 but you have had several yeas of new inductees since then. Walt Frazier. Despite the juvenile attacks, this argument you have made is much more interesting. I still question that there isn't more room in each rung, there should be more room added with each class. 30. Carl Perkins "Much Better Off" J Dilla. Then he takes it further by completely reevaluating not only how NBA Hall of Fame inductees should be chosen but how the institution must be reshaped from the ground up, the result being the Pyramid: Simmons's one-of-a-kind five-level shrine I can narrow it down to two; Bob Dylan (every singer-songwriter since) and Jimi Hendrix (every hard rock guitarist since). If no one here had an interest in anything earlier than the Beatles, I wouldn't be coming here to gush over Buddy Holly or Fats Waller. Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers: 6/10 Posted by Yours Truly on Monday, 09/24/2018 @ 22:40pm. Frank Zappa: 9/10 Looks like it from what I remember. Cream Send a Message. 8/10 = No Brainers Paul McCartney at 2? Jason Voigt, Jerry Lee Lewis "Save Me" The Undertones 118. Eric Clapton "Come On Do The Jerk" The Righteous Brothers , The T-Bones At present, either James Taylor or Laura NyroI'd say James Taylor Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane. (Yes, feel free to flame me! New York Dolls (Level 1) Very good insight expect Dolly should be Level 2 mostly because she's one of the most important women in popular music as a whole. Glory Favorite inductee outside of the U.S. and the U.K.? 1 bestselling book from 2009. 52. Leonard Cohen 23. The Kinks: 10/10 The Moody Blues: 5/10 Personally, I think they're overvalued in the rankings and undervalued on the pyramid. Meanest: Jerry Lee Lewis, Sid Vicious, Little Willie John. 1988 Woody Guthrie Most influential besides Beatles, Elvis and Chuck: Yes Does The Secret have a shelf life? 9. The Coasters The Grateful Dead Hardcover. Prince 13. "(You Can't Let the Boy Overpower) The Man In You" Chuck Jackson If he keeps pushing for 3-4 more years and the Warriors get back to being contenders and Steph stays as a Top 10 guy in the league, he's moving up into the Dirk range and maybe the Pantheon. Bon Jovi C'mon time to add class of 2017 in pyramid: Pearl Jam,Journey,ELO,Joan Baez,Yes and 2Pac. I think he deserves the rank. Bill breaks it down with his former ESPN colleague J.A. The "Lovin Spoonful: 5/10 1991 181. 2006 The Cars I understand their attempts, and respect it to some degree. Electric Light Orchestra- 3 The Cars 27. Favorite inductee outside of the U.S. and the U.K.? Nicest: According to an Indianapolis limo driver who interviewed with the Indpls. Most mean inductee? Pei, also designed the most famous modern pyramid, the controversial 1988 addition to the Louvre., 3. "The Hurt is Over" The DT's Bill Walton. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Most loudest inductee (outside the Metal genre)? 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